Equipping Parents to Stand: Homeschooling, Public Schools, and Faith with John Stamper
Summary:
Are you wondering if you’re truly equipped to homeschool your children, especially in a world where public education often feels at odds with your family's values? In this episode of Show Me Homeschool, Erin speaks with John Stamper—Christian author, former public and private school teacher, and host of the State of State Schools podcast—to answer that question and more. John shares his unique perspective, having been both homeschooled himself and later teaching in one of the nation’s largest public school systems. He candidly discusses the challenges Christian parents face in today’s educational landscape, the pressures within public schools to compromise core beliefs, and why he believes parents, equipped with faith and support, are more than capable of providing a robust education at home.
Links & Resources:
John Stamper's website, www.johnstamper.org and podcast, The State of State Schools with John Stamper
Find John on social media at:
Instagram, @thestateofstateschools
Youtube, @johnathandstamper2357
LinkedIn, @john-stamper
Find John’s Books at
Master Books author page
Amazon Author page
John’s courses at MasterBooksAcademy.com:
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Transcript:
Erin [00:00:00]:
Hello, and welcome back to the Show Me Homeschool podcast. Today, my guest is John Stamper. He's a Christian author and host of the State of State Schools podcast. He also has created courses for homeschoolers through MasterBooks Academy. He was homeschooled for about half of his k through 12 education before he worked as a teacher and a coach for thirteen years in both public and private schools. His homeschool background, coupled with his experience teaching in the nation's third largest public school system, provides a unique perspective on education that parents and teachers will want to hear. I'm Erin.
Joe [00:00:35]:
And I'm Joe.
Erin [00:00:36]:
We're the hosts of the Show Me Homeschool podcast, where we guide parents through the wilderness of home education. Each weekly episode will focus on supporting and encouraging homeschool moms and dads through conversational interviews with like minded Christian leaders in the homeschool community.
Joe [00:00:52]:
In our experience, we've seen the lack of resources and support available for homeschool dads. So we want to address that by covering relevant topics concerning husbands and fathers as they lead their families through this lifestyle of home education.
Erin [00:01:05]:
We understand the need for creating connections and building authentic relationships to sustain a healthy homeschool environment for yourself and your children.
Joe [00:01:14]:
Our goal is not to show you how to replicate our homeschool, but to show you how you can create a home learning lifestyle that is sustainable for your family.
Erin [00:01:22]:
Show Me Homeschool is here to come alongside you. So, John, welcome to the Show Me Homeschool podcast.
John Stamper [00:01:31]:
Hi. Thank you so much for having me. It's great to meet you and Yeah. We could, have this conversation.
Erin [00:01:36]:
Yes. It's good to meet you too. When I was reading through all of your your blogs and your listening to your podcast, I was like, this is perfect fit for the show because I'd really like to introduce our audience to you, and hopefully, they can become your audience as well. So tell us a little bit more, about your homeschool education, your history, and and why you're doing what you do.
John Stamper [00:01:55]:
Yeah. Sure. You already, mentioned my teaching career. I was a teacher for thirteen years. Prior to that, yeah, I was homeschooled the first half of my education, you know, back in the early nineties, free Internet. We didn't even own a computer, but, my parents' story is really what I like to focus on there because I think so many families and parents can relate to what they went through over thirty years ago. It's still, you know, a similar battle that people are going through right now. You know? And they were kind of my parents in the early nineties were new Christians, four young kids, and they had a situation in, our hometown, the public schools there where the Gideons could no longer distribute Bibles.
John Stamper [00:02:35]:
There were lawsuits, and the Indiana Supreme Court said you can no longer distribute Bibles in school, to the Gideons. And my parents being young Christians wanted, you know, to raise their kids with a biblical foundation. So that is what prompted them to homeschool. And just like I think most, if not all parents, they're they're kinda were a little intimidated at that thought of four young kids, three boys and one girl, you know, rambunctious. You know, am I qualified to do this? Can I do this? I can't do this. It's too much. They had all those same thoughts and doubts, but, you know, through prayer, God reassured them that, you know, he would meet every need. He would supply everything that we needed and, was a great comfort to them.
John Stamper [00:03:13]:
So I I look back at my homeschooling career. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. I honestly don't remember a lot of the things that we did, you know, book reports or whatever. I really just remember the reasons why we were homeschooled. And that was to prioritize the word of God to give us that foundation for the rest of our lives. And, as I talk about a lot in my first book conflicted, those lessons came back to serve me over thirty years later. You know, when I was at the my last year of teaching in 02/2021, I was, in Chicago, teaching for Chicago public schools just for one year during that COVID year.
John Stamper [00:03:48]:
And in the teacher training, I talked about this in the book. You know, I was presented with all kinds of information. Like, you know, we are supposed to affirm transgender students, and we're supposed to keep these things from the parents and tell them about it, you know, critical race theory indoctrination. So I was faced with these conflicts, spiritual conflicts where I was like, I'm not gonna lie to students and lie to parents and promote these ideologies that I think are very divisive and all this. So I had in my old conflict, hence the name of the book conflicted. But my parents' example, the the example that they set when when I was just a little kid, it came back. It it all came flooding back to me. You know? What they taught us to prioritize and the courage that they had, the obedience that they had.
John Stamper [00:04:29]:
So all those things came back to serve me, and that's really I mean, that to me is, like, what homeschooling is all about. It's what parenting is all about. You know? Training them up in the way that they should go so that when they're old, they won't depart from it. And so it was so powerful for me. It still is. And that's just what I really wanna encourage, you know, parents and families with is that this was my experience, and it's biblical. The Bible says this is how it should be. Train them up in the way they should go, and I'm living proof of that.
John Stamper [00:04:55]:
So Yeah. You know, it's I totally acknowledge all the fears and questions and doubts, but I just wanna encourage people that you can do this. You know? Especially with God on your side, you can do it.
Erin [00:05:04]:
Right. And I think something that I, like, really find interesting is the pushback on Christian parents to pull their kids out of what I call the government indoctrination centers. Because, you know, when you do look at scripture, you do see this mandate for for parents, and God puts the children in the families, not in institutions for their raising. And so sometimes when we talk about homeschool in such a positive way because we've had great experience, I was public schooled myself, but we were military. So we moved a lot, and I saw a lot of different public education systems across different states. So I can speak a little bit differently to, the public school experience than most kids, in The United States. But so when you're talking to parents about your experience in the public school system, do you wanna go a little bit deeper into what you were seeing and why you decided to walk away from?
John Stamper [00:05:57]:
Sure. The first thing that comes to mind is, in 02/2020, I I was teaching for Chicago Public Schools, and we had to undergo mandatory teacher training. This was common. We did this every year a couple of times a year. And prior to this year to this experience, I love teaching. I love my career. I was always in, you know, quote, unquote, the good schools. But I, you know, I met so many mentors and friends through my career, and I looked at it as this is my ministry.
John Stamper [00:06:22]:
I was a Christian, and I can be Mhmm. You know, an example, a Christian example in front of these, you know, my students, my colleagues, etcetera. So I did love teaching, and I I really missed that career. But so in that training, like I mentioned earlier, we had all these different modules and things. And one in particular, one module in particular took an actual student in Chicago Public Schools, an eighth grade student. This is a real student. They were out as transgender in school, but not at home to their parents. So the parents had no idea what was going on in school.
John Stamper [00:06:55]:
And the school policy was that we are not going to tell the parents until this child gives us permission to do so. Otherwise, it could be an unsafe environment at home. So already right there, we have the undermining of the family, of the parents. They're assumed to be dangerous and not understanding. The parents are assumed to not have the best interest of the child at heart. So we have this divide where the school and the, you know, the counselors and they kinda become the caretakers of the children, and the parents are kinda secondary. And that was just something I wasn't gonna go along with. I could not lie to parents.
John Stamper [00:07:28]:
You know? Know? If I was a parent and someone was keeping that information from me, such significant intimate information about my child, could you imagine? So that was just one example of what was happening between parents and the school and children Mhmm. That I just couldn't go along with. So I wrestled with that. Honestly, I wrestled with it for months. I didn't know I wish I could look back and say, oh, man. I knew exactly what to do right in that moment. That wasn't the case because I love my career. I was invested.
John Stamper [00:07:55]:
I coached. You know, I went. I got my masters. I invested a lot into my career, so I didn't wanna just, like, leave. Mhmm. So I I it took a lot of prayer. It took me about three or four months to figure out what I was gonna do. Yeah.
John Stamper [00:08:07]:
Prayer and talking
Erin [00:08:09]:
Yeah. Our oldest was in public school for a while in middle school. She, was having some bullying issues, and we were not told about that. The school counselor, when I called because I'd found out some other information, found out she was missing classes because she was sitting in the counselor's office, She said, well, there it's a HIPAA violation for me to reach out to you. And I'm like, if she's being bullied, and I have no idea, I just know she's coming home from school upset or stressed or has a headache or whatever, and you're not telling me how can I help fix this at home? And she's like, well, you know, that's just So how prevalent do you think in schools across the The States here? Is this mindset that the parents are not actually helpful, they're they're the problem or can be a problem. Is that something that you're seeing from your perspective in the schools?
John Stamper [00:08:56]:
Yeah. So I think there's two things I'd say about that. One, that dynamic of kind of undermining parents and kind of severing that relationship, it's kind of baked into the cake of the public school system. However, on the other hand, when it comes to individual teachers or principals or counselors, I mean, there are a lot of good, well meaning Christian teachers, Christian principals, people who would never look at that and say they would look at that and say, that's terrible. I'm never gonna do that. But the the thing is and this was me for a long time. I was a Christian in this system and really didn't see the forest for the trees sort of thing. So what it is is these policies can be so subtle, and you gotta pay attention to the language of your school policies, the school mission, this and that, because they always frame it in the nicest sounding way, something that you just who can argue with that? Inclusivity, of course, everyone's welcome.
John Stamper [00:09:49]:
Right? You you can't argue with these things. So we kinda just or at least I'll speak for myself. You kinda just take it at face value. I assume, you know, I'm a Christian, and I understand that the public schools, they're not a Christian institution. I know that, but I'm a Christian in this system, so I'll do the best that I can. I think that's kind of the attitude of a lot of teachers. They mean well. They really care about their students.
John Stamper [00:10:11]:
You know, they respect the parents. That's a lot of people. But like I said, they're still in that system. And in my new book, I kinda liken that to be in in Babylon, a believer in Babylon. Right? It's it's a ungodly system, and you're going to be faced with conflict eventually if you're a Christian in the public schools.
Erin [00:10:31]:
Yeah. So what would you say to a parent who's like, well, my kid is salt and light in the school, and that's their mission field? Because I hear that a lot too from believers who just don't wanna homeschool.
John Stamper [00:10:42]:
Yeah. Yeah. Common question. And, you you know, again, I think well meaning. You know, you're excited about the Christian faith, and you're you wanna see your children be a blessing to others. I get that. But, I'll just kinda talk I don't know if you know Robert Bortons from classical conversations. I've heard him explain it this way, and I think it's a great way to explain it.
John Stamper [00:11:00]:
Let's look at, like, say the mil you're a military. You come from a military family. Would you send a 10 year old, eight year old, 11 year old into the military and go off to war?
Erin [00:11:11]:
No. Probably not. Not at all.
John Stamper [00:11:14]:
Why is that? Because they're not mature. They're not trained. They're not developed. All these things. I mean, I think the same applies to children in education. Right? An eight year old, a nine year old, a 10 year old, they're gonna be under the authority of adults eight hours a day, five days a week, hundred and eighty days a year. And those adults in the building have absolute authority. You can't go to the bathroom without permission.
John Stamper [00:11:37]:
For example, you can't talk without permission. So my opinion is that children are not trained. They're not prepared. Even in a Christian home, even small children who've accepted the Lord. You know? I think it takes training, and that's the responsibility of the parents to train them. Now, you know, once they get older and you kind of get into that adulthood and, you know, the children are you you think they're properly trained and to withstand that onslaught, because we're talking spiritual warfare here. Mhmm. That's serious business.
John Stamper [00:12:06]:
I think it's up to the parents to determine when they think their child is ready for those kinds of battles. But generally speaking, I think that's not wise to send children into battle.
Erin [00:12:16]:
Yeah. I would agree. I I think that we do need to look at it a little bit, take a step back because I think sometimes as parents, you know, who grew up in the public school system ourselves, we are afraid to leave that system because we don't feel confident or equipped with the tools like your parents struggled with in the nineties and
John Stamper [00:12:33]:
Yeah.
Erin [00:12:33]:
What we still deal with today. So what is your piece of advice having come from the system yourself as a teacher and educator to a parent to give them that confidence? What would you say to a parent to say, you know what? I think you could do this.
John Stamper [00:12:49]:
Yeah. I think there's a a lot that you can say. First of all, the biblical model. You know, children are given to their parents. They're entrusted to their parents. That's the godly model. That's the biblical model. And in the bible, well, you mentioned it earlier, training instruction, it falls to the parents.
John Stamper [00:13:05]:
Sometimes grandparents are included in that when we read the bible. So parents are to have control over the child's education, their upbringing. They can I think parents can, like, delegate if my child needs to learn a particular skill, carpentry or something? They can delegate that out, but the undermining of the values, the undermining of, you know, your Christian beliefs, you know, parents need to have control over that and to say who can and cannot instruct my children. And then another thing, you know, I often hear from family friends, you know, maybe with young kids and they're thinking about homeschooling, and they they say, I can't do it. I'm not it's too much for me. I'm not qualified. I would do a terrible job. Right? But let's just look at the statistics of homeschoolers versus public school students.
John Stamper [00:13:47]:
You can look you can look at any subject area, even in, like, social life outside once they become adults socially, homeschoolers are, you know, more involved in the community. They are more active in voting, volunteering, this and that. They outperform their public school peers by every metric you can measure. Well, who's who's teaching these homeschool students so well? Usually usually, it's the mom. You know, you have co ops, dads, but, traditionally, the mom is doing that. So the proof is there. The statistics are there. The data is there that these families, these homeschool families are doing very well at educating their children historically.
John Stamper [00:14:24]:
So, there's all kinds of things that we can point to to try to encourage people. But, really, I think it's just it's so hard to shake off that conditioning of the public school system for generations, you know, almost a hundred years now. It's kind of just what we're used to here in America. We think that, like, we invented education or something like that. It's just so hard to uncondition that. And I'm speaking for myself too. So, you know, I think we have to start with the Bible, what the Bible says about the parents' role in raising and training up their children. Mhmm.
Erin [00:14:57]:
I agree. Yeah. That's that's excellent advice, and I think parents also need to understand regardless of what educational choice they make, private, public, charter, whatever schooling they they offer their child, they are still ultimately the ones responsible, whether they're the primary teacher or they've given that task over to someone else. So going back to when your parents were homeschooling, I know there were not so many curriculum choices. I've heard from a lot of second gen homeschoolers that they actually couldn't get curriculum because the curriculum companies wouldn't sell to homeschoolers outside of, like, a BECCA being one of them. So now as homeschoolers, we have all of these curriculum options. You've written some curriculum and particularly PE curriculum. So do you wanna talk about some of the resources that you've created for the homeschool community to help ease that transition from public to home education?
John Stamper [00:15:47]:
Yeah. Sure. Most of my teaching career, I was a PE teacher for elementary school students. I taught in the classroom a lot. I taught I've taught every course subject you can you can teach every grade level. But PE was kind of my thing, and coaching is just kind of my comfort zone. Right? And having been a homeschooler myself, coaching, etcetera, I kinda had a a good background for it. So it really goes back to 2020 when COVID first hit, and all the schools were shut down in March of twenty twenty.
John Stamper [00:16:15]:
I was still teaching in Indiana at that time. This is before Chicago. But the school year ended in March, and we still had a couple months left of school, but I never saw my students again. So I was like, well, how how am I gonna keep them going, keep them active, keep them motivated? So I I created a website, turned it into a business, and I created my own k through a PE curriculum. You know, I filmed videos on my phone. I wrote lesson plans, you know, very amateur. Uploaded it to the website and built out a website and turned it into a business, and it was profitable, like, right away because the whole country was in the same boat.
Erin [00:16:51]:
Yeah.
John Stamper [00:16:52]:
So fast forward a year, and I I finally figure out I'm gonna I'll be leaving, Chicago public schools. I'm leaving public schools. I reach out to MasterBooks, randy pratt at MasterBooks, just kind of a cold email saying, hey. I created this curriculum during COVID online PE for homeschoolers. It was never a thing when I was homeschooling. It's you kinda don't have anything like this. Are you interested in maybe working together? Randy said, yes. Absolutely.
John Stamper [00:17:17]:
I began with the PE courses. So right now in the Masterbox Academy, you can find four different PE courses. They're just split up kinda by age group or grade level if you wanna use grades. And then I have kinda after that, after the PE courses is a strength and conditioning course. Mhmm. I think that's great for, like, your teenagers. And then, there's a nine week course on, geocaching, which I think is a great, like, summer course. Yeah.
John Stamper [00:17:44]:
Yeah. Geo if you don't know what geocaching is, it's like a worldwide treasure hunt. Mhmm. You kinda do it on an app on your phone, and it's just a fun thing to do, especially with the whole family or big group.
Erin [00:17:53]:
Oh, yeah. And it's Yeah. All ages can participate. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. So talk about that a little bit. Creating these PE curriculum, we, you know, we've homeschooled our kids.
Erin [00:18:04]:
We're we're about to graduate our second this year. Two more coming up the line. But so many times, especially once parents get into the high school years, they get so academic focused or focused on, like, what college are they going to? And those are great things to think about. But sometimes the electives can slip. Or if you have a kid that's not naturally very competitive or athletic or maybe has some health issues going on, what's your encouragement for parents when it comes to to PE in their curriculum, especially for the high schoolers?
John Stamper [00:18:32]:
Yeah. I think it's just it's intimidating because there's so many things to cover. How do you even get started? Right? So Right. I try to just provide a framework, a structured program that's very doable where kinda creativity is built in. Having been a homeschooler, I understand every home is different. Every family dynamic is different. Your, you know, the resources you have available are different. You know, we all don't belong to gyms or YMCAs.
John Stamper [00:18:58]:
We don't have a ton of sporting equipment, whatever. So all of that was in my mind, and so I try to create every lesson with that in mind. And I I encourage students and families, be creative with what you have. Work with what you have. It's not about the cool fancy equipment. It's about the skill development and the physical fitness. So those are kind of the two themes throughout all of my PE courses. Skill development, physical fitness.
John Stamper [00:19:23]:
So it kind of appeals to those competitive students who love sports and they just like to compete, but it also appeals to those students who don't care about sports. They don't plan on playing sports, but they should they wanna live a an active lifestyle. They wanna walk or jog or just be healthy.
Erin [00:19:38]:
Mhmm.
John Stamper [00:19:39]:
So I I try to appeal to as many people as possible, but there's a framework. There's a structured approach that really, I think, lessons or lightens the burden on parents. They don't have to kinda come up with this. It's there for them. Really, the only involvement they have is kinda helping students be creative with, for example, how to complete a soccer lesson. I don't have a soccer ball. What do I do? Maybe just kind of fostering some creativity in your student. That's really the big, responsibility on parents.
John Stamper [00:20:05]:
I always encourage parents and family members to join in the lessons. Give everybody.
Erin [00:20:09]:
That's what I was gonna ask. Are you encouraging the moms to get because I know that's a struggle for us homeschool moms too because we're so wrapped up with all the kids' stuff that sometimes it's hard for us to get away and and do that. But if it's a curriculum where we can work with the kids and we can all get some energy out and, make some progress, that's that's excellent. So
John Stamper [00:20:26]:
Yeah.
Erin [00:20:27]:
Yeah. So you've gotten PE, and you you said that's through MasterBooks. You've also done some online courses through MasterBooks. Is that also tied with the PE, or is that a separate thing?
John Stamper [00:20:37]:
All I have through the MasterBooks Academy, which is their online curriculum, it's all been in the PE genre. So there are there's a PE course, but it's split up into four different sections. Mhmm. And then there's a strength and conditioning and then geocaching. They're all kind of under the umbrella of PE. Those are the only courses I've created with MasterBooks. I was given the opportunity out of nowhere divine orchestration to write my two books. You know, I was not a writer.
John Stamper [00:21:02]:
Yeah. Hated writing, you know, through school. Was like, if you ask me what I was gonna do, writing would be the last thing on the list. But when I when I first met Randy Pratt at MasterBooks and I was kinda pitching the PE courses, just kinda told him my story. My situation at that time was I was leaving Chicago Public Schools, talked about that conflict, and he was like, you know, you should write about this because a lot of families are in the same boat. You know? Mhmm. I was just blessed to get the opportunity to write that first book and then the second book. So
Erin [00:21:30]:
What's the second title?
John Stamper [00:21:32]:
The second title is courage to stand, profiles of enduring faith. So it it follows that first book where I was really warning parents about what's in the public schools. What does this actually mean when you see this friendly policy come into your school? What does it actually mean? What's the background? And I encourage them to homeschool if you can. But my second book, I was thinking about my brother. I my oldest brother is, a principal at a public school. He's a Christian. And he I believe he feels called to his position. Right? So what what about people like that? They can't just leave just for the sake of leaving.
John Stamper [00:22:07]:
You know, if if you're an adult and God's called you to this position, by all means, I wanna encourage you. Obey the Lord. Don't just take my advice. Who am I? Obey God for your own life. And then that was kind of the attitude behind the second book, but I quickly realized, you know, in the profiles that I have, this doesn't just apply to teachers or education people in public schools. It applies to believers everywhere, no matter your age, no matter what era you live in. The biblical truth, I think, speak for themselves that, you know, I write about these nine different profiles, and they're some are, you know, biblical times, some are from history, and a couple of them are present present day. So I try to show that God's word is the same as it was thousands of years ago.
John Stamper [00:22:49]:
He's the same God today as he was for Moses, right, for Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. And I each profile kinda shows that how God moves regardless of time period, regardless of your age or who you are. So hopefully, it's an encouragement to stand on God's word no matter your trial.
Erin [00:23:08]:
Excellent. I love it. So and you said you can find both of those through MasterBooks. Is there anywhere else that you have those for sale? Or
John Stamper [00:23:15]:
Yeah. Definitely MasterBooks and Amazon. You can find them both on Amazon. On my website, I believe I have the books linked to MasterBooks. So you could also visit my website and Sure. Get there. It's johnstamper.org.
Erin [00:23:28]:
Yeah. We'll keep all that in the show notes too. Okay. And lastly, before we wrap up, I wanna talk about your podcast because I find it interesting. It's called State of State Schools. Do you wanna tell the listeners about that? Because I'm always looking for good podcasts to listen to, and this is really cool. So
John Stamper [00:23:44]:
Yeah. I started that about two years ago, right around the first my when my first book came out. Really, the attitude was just to try to, keep parents in the loop. If you had children in the public schools or maybe your children were getting school age and you're wondering what to do or for anybody, you know, just to know what's going on in the public schools. What does this actually mean? Like, I we've talked about so many times, these policies that look great on the surface. What's actually in them? What's the background? What what is it actually gonna do in the future? Just to provide information for parents, even for teachers who are just like me in the system, believing in what they're doing, just to provide that information to help them make informed decisions, whether it's educating your children or for your career. That was really the attitude behind it. I just felt so compelled to, like I just needed to warn people.
John Stamper [00:24:32]:
I needed to tell people. This is, like, 2020, '20 '20 '1.
Erin [00:24:36]:
Mhmm.
John Stamper [00:24:37]:
A lot of these things were just starting to bubble. So I I just felt so compelled to warn people just, you know, be ready. Be ready. That was kind of the start of it. Since we had our first son a year ago, we were expecting number two this, summer.
Erin [00:24:50]:
Congrats.
John Stamper [00:24:51]:
It's been hard to keep up with the podcast. But, so they're more sporadic, but, hopefully I can get back into a groove here with them.
Erin [00:24:58]:
Excellent. Well, congratulations on the new little one. Thanks. I love that. So, excellent. So we will link all of things to, to find you and your information. I really appreciate you coming on the show today and talking through, what you're doing, how you're helping in the homeschool community, and your experience. So thanks, John.
John Stamper [00:25:17]:
Hey. Thank you for having me. It was great to meet you. I really appreciate, the opportunity.
Erin [00:25:22]:
Yeah. Thank you. Alright. We will talk to you next time. To learn more about booking one on one or group homeschool coaching sessions with us, upcoming events, see our speaking schedule, or to get access to more resources, be sure to check out our website, www.showmehomeschool.com and sign up for our weekly newsletter. You can also follow us on Instagram at show.me.homeschool, on Pinterest at show me homeschool, or email us at info@showmehomeschool.com. This episode was sponsored by Podcast with Faith, our favorite Christian podcast production company.